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I'm using the 42.adx file ad am having a couple of issues. One is that my temperature is constant on the dashboard. In scanning through the file it looks like there is a line in there basically setting the value to 11, which would closely correspond to the temp I'm seeing. When using v4 I was using a different adx and in that one the temp read backwards from what the engine would actually be doing.
Additionally I'm seeing huge TPS % settings as well, .71V is translating to 30+% when I'm not touching the gas of course.
Any tips on straightening this stuff out would be great. I've got some other odd data, but that has been with me for a while and I suspect a connection issue (4.34mV on the O2 sensor in the middle of the run for instance).
Thanks for the help.
Bill
Additionally I'm seeing huge TPS % settings as well, .71V is translating to 30+% when I'm not touching the gas of course.
Any tips on straightening this stuff out would be great. I've got some other odd data, but that has been with me for a while and I suspect a connection issue (4.34mV on the O2 sensor in the middle of the run for instance).
Thanks for the help.
Bill
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42 doesn't output an actual %, that was somewhat of an estimation. but you need to adjust your TPS anyway. .71 at idle is way off.
4.34mV on the O2 is probably the O2 swinging, which is normal. if it stays there for 10 samples or so, then i would worry.
not sure what is with temp though, since that ADX didn't come from me. are you just using the ADS on the downloads page and converted it to ADX?
4.34mV on the O2 is probably the O2 swinging, which is normal. if it stays there for 10 samples or so, then i would worry.
not sure what is with temp though, since that ADX didn't come from me. are you just using the ADS on the downloads page and converted it to ADX?
Of course ... should it be at .99 or what ? I have the fun of not having actually installed this system, just working with it.robertisaar wrote:42 doesn't output an actual %, that was somewhat of an estimation. but you need to adjust your TPS anyway. .71 at idle is way off.
That is probably how I generated it, and the other one actually. I'm noticing it's using 392 as the minimum and -40 as the max in the setup.not sure what is with temp though, since that ADX didn't come from me. are you just using the ADS on the downloads page and converted it to ADX?
Here's the temp section from the file as generated:
<ADXVALUE id="9" idhash="0x86F347BB" title="Coolant Temp">
<units>*F</units>
<packetoffset>0x04</packetoffset>
<range low="392.000000" high="-40.000000" />
<alarms low="392.000000" high="-40.000000" />
<digcount>2</digcount>
<outputtype>3</outputtype>
<MATH equation="11" lookupidhash="0xDE6A9E10" />
</ADXVALUE>
My theory is that the fixed setting is due to the ="11" bit, but I really don't know, I'm just guessing. The look-up tables look like I would expect with lower values giving higher temperatures. And 11 would give me near the 316 it is constantly reporting.
I'd post the whole file, but not seeing how to do that quickly, will upload it to a server if you need it.
Thanks,
Bill
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the "11" is refering to the coolant temp lookup table.
the TPS shpuld be around .5 at idle, anything above that can cause driveability issues.
are you sure you're working with a known-good sensor? it seems odd that coolant temp would be the only thing that TP reports as being wrong. have any codes been set?
most foolproof way to tell if the sensor is good: hook a multimeter up to it after its been sitting for a while. get the ohm value and post it here.
the TPS shpuld be around .5 at idle, anything above that can cause driveability issues.
are you sure you're working with a known-good sensor? it seems odd that coolant temp would be the only thing that TP reports as being wrong. have any codes been set?
most foolproof way to tell if the sensor is good: hook a multimeter up to it after its been sitting for a while. get the ohm value and post it here.
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wish: i have a fix for you. you must have imported the ADS using an earlier version of V5 than the most current one.
the problem was that you were getting 11 in the conversion box due to the coolant temp lookup table being the 11th item generated. it should be an X, not 11.
so, either change that value or download the newest version of V5 and re-import, that should fix your coolant temp issue.
the problem was that you were getting 11 in the conversion box due to the coolant temp lookup table being the 11th item generated. it should be an X, not 11.
so, either change that value or download the newest version of V5 and re-import, that should fix your coolant temp issue.
By coincidence I had left the X in the file when I just went out to try and start it. Sure enough it read 42° (yes, that's ° F). I had checked the resistance on the sensor though and didn't have any values that I could get. I also probed the TPS to see what it was registering and could not find a steady reading, so I'll re-visit how to set that to be sure I'm doing it right.
As there is a new version I'll probably update to it just to be sure I've got the latest and greatest.
Oh yeah and research cold start theories a bit
Bill
As there is a new version I'll probably update to it just to be sure I've got the latest and greatest.
Oh yeah and research cold start theories a bit
Bill
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for fututre reference: in case something happens to any of the files here on the TP site, or moates, i'm posting an archive of them on TeraDepot, and will edit this post to include the link when i am finished.
EDIT: i'm doing this differently. i'm just going to post the link to the folder containing everything.
http://www.teradepot.com/robertisaar/27 ... ro%20Stuff
DOUBLE EDIT: i have uploaded all of my GM BINs, XDFs, ADS, and ADX files. any new files will also be uploaded there seperately or if i update one, i'll make a note of it in here and upload it to TD.
cool?
EDIT: i'm doing this differently. i'm just going to post the link to the folder containing everything.
http://www.teradepot.com/robertisaar/27 ... ro%20Stuff
DOUBLE EDIT: i have uploaded all of my GM BINs, XDFs, ADS, and ADX files. any new files will also be uploaded there seperately or if i update one, i'll make a note of it in here and upload it to TD.
cool?
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Correct (automatic if it matters). Sorry I didn't specify it clearer, my bad, quite tired right now, haha..
I have a B-Body right now and it seems EE Auto doesn't have any trouble codes (as my code 43 doesn't even show up in TunerPro RT or ScannerPro..)
But I'm possibly getting an F-Body and trying to help a friends 93 Camaro right now as my scan tool broke, and need a way to datalog with trouble codes.
I have a B-Body right now and it seems EE Auto doesn't have any trouble codes (as my code 43 doesn't even show up in TunerPro RT or ScannerPro..)
But I'm possibly getting an F-Body and trying to help a friends 93 Camaro right now as my scan tool broke, and need a way to datalog with trouble codes.
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Well, trouble codes are incomplete. It shows a code for left 02, but not right 02. It also doesn't have code 26, which is actually set on the ECM, but the definition doesn't seem to have it.
For mine, EE, no trouble codes are set at all with the file from tunerpro definitions download page, despite me having 41 and 43 in the PCM currently set. I tried another EE definition, more organized, but has zero DTC's even supported.
For mine, EE, no trouble codes are set at all with the file from tunerpro definitions download page, despite me having 41 and 43 in the PCM currently set. I tried another EE definition, more organized, but has zero DTC's even supported.
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in DA2:
13 is O2 left
63 is O2 right
44 and 45 are left O2 rich/lean
64 and 65 are right O2 rich/lean
26 is also in the list, mentioned as a QDM, though i don't know which one. i could probably figure it out, but everything you mentioned is there...
EE: there seems to be a bit of a display bug that i'm letting mark know about now.
13 is O2 left
63 is O2 right
44 and 45 are left O2 rich/lean
64 and 65 are right O2 rich/lean
26 is also in the list, mentioned as a QDM, though i don't know which one. i could probably figure it out, but everything you mentioned is there...
EE: there seems to be a bit of a display bug that i'm letting mark know about now.
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Then why is it I only get the following codes to see?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/ ... /codes.png
I don't see anything else.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/ ... /codes.png
I don't see anything else.
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that's actually something i was discussing with Mark yesterday. there is a limit of 256 items in the item list view, it looks like when you converted from ADS to ADX, it left out quite a few.
click Aquisiton-Edit Definition-Item List Views, then delete the default view. create a new one, then add all the items you want to see, just don't pass the 256 limit, you'll need to creata a second list for that. Shift-click when selecting items to save a LOT of headache and time.
click Aquisiton-Edit Definition-Item List Views, then delete the default view. create a new one, then add all the items you want to see, just don't pass the 256 limit, you'll need to creata a second list for that. Shift-click when selecting items to save a LOT of headache and time.
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Re: BMW
i'd like to, but there just isn't the information necessary out there for me to do it on any kind of decent timeframe. if someone already has hacked through it, then i could, but i can't spend that amount of time trying to get it done myself.ecuconnection wrote:Can you do anything for bmw?
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Robert,
Thank you for all the awesome work!
I have been able to find my definition files and connect with the scan software (without using a usb adapter). I believe the files that I found may not be exact as I think I have a different transmission. Where would I find a post that tells me to "dump the code" and confirm I am using the correct definitions?
I guess the prom is represented in the bin files?
If I capture hypertrm at 9600 8 n 1 n and short the 10k for 5 seconds will that allow data to flow and be captured?
1993 P30 454 16147060
Prom 9108 3040 BAMS 5225 '13CF'
ADS 16147060_4L80E_A138_A177.ads
ADX converted from ADS
DS A138DS seems to be right
ECU ?
XDF 85.xdf from Moates.net 20090716
scan PROM ID 13CF
ECM OVERVIEW
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This ECM is a slave on a masterless ALDL. In other words, there is
no traffic on the ALDL, so when the tester is connected to
the ALDL it must initiate communications with the ECM rather than
waiting for the F0 poll.
The FAQ said there was an article coming with more information on some of this but if anyone is able to respond with any information to provide clarity, thank you.
Thank you for all the awesome work!
I have been able to find my definition files and connect with the scan software (without using a usb adapter). I believe the files that I found may not be exact as I think I have a different transmission. Where would I find a post that tells me to "dump the code" and confirm I am using the correct definitions?
I guess the prom is represented in the bin files?
If I capture hypertrm at 9600 8 n 1 n and short the 10k for 5 seconds will that allow data to flow and be captured?
1993 P30 454 16147060
Prom 9108 3040 BAMS 5225 '13CF'
ADS 16147060_4L80E_A138_A177.ads
ADX converted from ADS
DS A138DS seems to be right
ECU ?
XDF 85.xdf from Moates.net 20090716
scan PROM ID 13CF
ECM OVERVIEW
------------
This ECM is a slave on a masterless ALDL. In other words, there is
no traffic on the ALDL, so when the tester is connected to
the ALDL it must initiate communications with the ECM rather than
waiting for the F0 poll.
The FAQ said there was an article coming with more information on some of this but if anyone is able to respond with any information to provide clarity, thank you.
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certain masks actually don't have that capability. if they did, i believe it would be refered to as a Mode 3 command. i know a FEW 94-95 PCMs are capable of it, but any older than that, and i couldn't say for sure.
shorting the line with a 10k resistor alone would definitely not be enough to tell the PCM to start transmitting data, i can tell you that much.
according to my interchange, BAMS should be a $D8 BIN. and i believe that mask was used from 1991-1993. after that, the 454/4L80 would be 0E or 0D, but i'm not too sure of that.
shorting the line with a 10k resistor alone would definitely not be enough to tell the PCM to start transmitting data, i can tell you that much.
according to my interchange, BAMS should be a $D8 BIN. and i believe that mask was used from 1991-1993. after that, the 454/4L80 would be 0E or 0D, but i'm not too sure of that.
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In need of a good XDF and ADX file
Hi I am looking for a good XDF and ADX file for ECM number 16159278. It is for a 1993 LT1 Trans Am. I am using TunerPro RT V5.
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Re: In need of a good XDF and ADX file
that would be DA3, which there are both an XDF and an ADS for on the definitions page. i wouldn't know how complete they are, but if they seem lacking, let me know.Midnightreaper wrote:Hi I am looking for a good XDF and ADX file for ECM number 16159278. It is for a 1993 LT1 Trans Am. I am using TunerPro RT V5.
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Re: In need of a good XDF and ADX file
The XDF seems to be lacking and I tried to convert the ADS file to an ADX file with TunerPro RT V5 but it's not working. Trying to get it working so I can use the Histogram feature. Thanks.robertisaar wrote:that would be DA3, which there are both an XDF and an ADS for on the definitions page. i wouldn't know how complete they are, but if they seem lacking, let me know.Midnightreaper wrote:Hi I am looking for a good XDF and ADX file for ECM number 16159278. It is for a 1993 LT1 Trans Am. I am using TunerPro RT V5.
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for anyone still watching this thread, i managed to get a website up and running.
www.robertisaar.co.cc
i WILL post updates there if/when they require it.
www.robertisaar.co.cc
i WILL post updates there if/when they require it.
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actually34blazer wrote:im in need of an ads for the $4E mask, if you are up to it. im not too satisfied with winaldl, datalogs are not too in depth. let me know if you need anymore info, thanks!
http://tunerpro.net/download/datastreams/4E.ads
that's been around for quite some time. i made an ADX as well, but i can't verify that it works. if you want that, PM me an email address to send it to.
Still doing ADS files ??
I'm looking for an ADS file for a 92 Cadillac Eldorado - I found the source file is the A095.ds, but I don't have a clue how to use it to create an ADS. I was web searching and found your thread here on TunerPro forum. Any chance you can sort it?
Cheers,
Robert
Cheers,
Robert
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92 was the first year of the new body style... did they remove the BCM altogether at that point? because i can't find any BCM streams for a 92-up eldorado, and they usually have some fairly interesting info on them as well.
but the ECM/PCM stream won't be a problem at all, i should have it done fairly quickly.
but the ECM/PCM stream won't be a problem at all, i should have it done fairly quickly.
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Hello,
Do you have or can you build and ads and or an adx files for an 85 grand national. I also need an ADS built for A14.ds.
Thank You
Paul
Do you have or can you build and ads and or an adx files for an 85 grand national. I also need an ADS built for A14.ds.
Thank You
Paul
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Hi Robert,
I need the .xdf and .ads files for a 1992 Chevy Lumina APV 3.8L (L27), VIN L, ECM 16141470.
I believe you had previously put this together as mask $5B4 for user gta324 on page 1 of this thread (Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:56 pm). While it was stated as such it would be data stream A163 [3.8L L27 (VIN = L) 1992 1,2,3 U van].
The companion ABS data stream file is A174 (DELCO/DELPHI ABS VI). I need an .ads file for that also. I am trying to track down an ABS fault. Used the same as your version of A246.
Thanks for your help,
Dave
I need the .xdf and .ads files for a 1992 Chevy Lumina APV 3.8L (L27), VIN L, ECM 16141470.
I believe you had previously put this together as mask $5B4 for user gta324 on page 1 of this thread (Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:56 pm). While it was stated as such it would be data stream A163 [3.8L L27 (VIN = L) 1992 1,2,3 U van].
The companion ABS data stream file is A174 (DELCO/DELPHI ABS VI). I need an .ads file for that also. I am trying to track down an ABS fault. Used the same as your version of A246.
Thanks for your help,
Dave